Mark Driscoll is right.
Driscoll is not right about theology, women, queer folks, masculinity, leadership, and on and on and on. But there is something that he has absolutely right: He says what he believes and he stands behind it. There is something to learn here.
Certainly the man is abusive and belligerent but you don’t have to guess with him. I know where Mark Driscoll stands on all sorts of issues. I know what his theology is. I know what he believes and why.
Often I’m not entirely sure what liberals/progressives believe and I definitely don’t know why.
Here’s the thing: I will take Mark Driscoll, Fred Phelps, and any number of other people who say hateful things any day over someone who tries to play both sides of the fence. I will take anger and hate over someone who says, well, I don’t really know how I feel about queer folks. Here’s why: I need to know where you stand.
The thing about playing the fence, or keeping to the center, or not getting into a fight or whatever you want to call it, on issues of justice is that when you do that the oppressors win. You might ask, “why do you have to use win/lose language: This isn’t a competition.” You’re right. Maybe win/lose language isn’t the best. How about life or death? Because for me and for many others these issues are a matter of life or death. It’s the difference between being able to access medical care or being left to die by paramedics [TW on link]. It’s the difference between being able to walk down the street safely or having someone murder you because of your gender identity. It’s the difference between someone being able to see their dying partner to say goodbye or being left outside. It’s the difference between a parent being able to legally adopt their child or not.
And it’s not just queer issues. This is also about theology. Can you tell me what you believe about salvation? What does resurrection look like? What does it mean to be a disciple of Jesus? What does accountability look like? What does someone who is a Christian look like? Mark Driscoll can tell me. I might disagree with him but he has answers for these questions. I don’t see a lot of answers in our liberal/progressive churches. And I am naming myself as part of the problem. I haven’t bothered to define these things either. When I left fundamentalism, I stopped using words like discipleship and accountability. I stopped talking about a “salvation moment”. And in doing so I have failed as a pastor and as a theologian.
Platitudes don’t cut it for me anymore. I need something better; something more substantial. I don’t want to be told simply that a Christian just loves people or does good work. Because here’s the thing: Lots of people love others and do good work. Why are we a part of THIS story? What is the specificity of Christianity? If we can’t answer that question then maybe our churches deserve to die. This isn’t about we’re the only ones saved and everyone else is going to hell, this is about standing for something, being apart of a specific story.
Christianity needs to mean something. It needs to mean something more than niceties and charity. We need to be bold. We need to be articulate. We need to ignite the imaginations of people.
And sometimes, on issues of justice, we might need to be confrontational. At the very least we need to get off our damn fences. This idea that “we are all in process” doesn’t work on issues of justice. Being “in process” may be a step along the way, but it is not an end point or a way in and of itself, and it is certainly not an effective place to be working or ministering from. Ultimately if we are not working in solidarity with the oppressed then we are aiding the oppressor.
Sometimes we need to stand up and say what we believe even when it alienates people. We have spent so much time trying to say we are not angry like Mark Driscoll. We are not hateful like Fred Phelps. We don’t think this should be a Christian nation. We want plurality and interfaith dialogue and charity work. All of those things are fine; good even! But we have lost our specificity. We have lost our ability and/or our desire to speak into the public square what it means to be a follower of Jesus.
We have lost our ability to name WHY this Gospel is good news. And it’s time to get that ability back.
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Preach!
I know that I’m guilty of vaguely defining what I believe, or shying away from theological language. I was so burned by the religion I grew up with and that I saw (and experienced) all around me that I felt like it was useless, wrong,unhelpful, hurtful.
I think that living in the unknowns was a helpful and necessary thing for me to do (and, in some ways still is). And also, I’m ready to start talking about the things I DO believe, not just the things I don’t.
All of that is to say, really looking forward to this series!
So, if all this kinda boils down to wanting folks who are just spiritually/intellectualy lazy, afraid to live out their beliefs, fearful of the consequences of what really following Jesus might cost them, then I think you got a legitimate rant here (they/me may be what M Scott Peck called, “People of the Lie”). But I’m not sure that I would rather have folks choose Hitler and National Socialism over Ebert, Hindenburg and the feckless Social Democrats. And there are some folks are going through legitamate and necessary periods of questioning about what they believe about a whole range of social issues. I’m wondering if part of your criticism/angst isn’t a bit of a fundamentalist hangover and a longing for the simplicity of your former black/white, right/wrong, true/false, paradigm. I rightly pass as a Roman Catholic, and if what you want is dogmatic convictions then I got just the church for you! But many of us Catholics disagree with the magisterium about all kinds of things and speak up loudly for gay rights, gender inclusive language, liturgy, leadership, priesthood, etc.. There are lots of others that are still working their way one direction or the other (there is an ardent, reactionary, falangist movement in the RCC) and in as much as I wish that all my Catholic brothers and sisters shared all of my ardent convictions, I’m in no hurry to push them into the rightist Franco camp. Obliged.
I’m with Daniel above…and not just because he is so awesomely named
Lately I’ve thought that a lot of your desire for a “lay it on the line / black & white” theology is actually a nostalgia for your more fundamentalist days. Yes, liberals can be “hazy” but I’ve found they are at least consistently so….that sometimes it is a deliberate and intentional stance, to stand firmly in the “via media” and resist articulating too specifically on any one topic. Not because they don’t know….but because they KNOW they don’t know….and they see that as a faithful and honest stance. On the other hand, conservatives (right-wing) Christians MAY seem to be more specific….but their specificity is relative. Conservative ideas on many things change over time….they can pick and choose as well as any liberal – its just they tend to be more vociferous about where they stand “today” and tend to make one or two issues the ‘raison d’etre” for their faith at this time. I prefer a church that lets me question, admits it may be wrong, and guides me – not always in what to believe – but in how to work out what I believe and then live it. Yes, liberal churches aren’t perfect in that and we do need to do better in catechetic teaching and formation of disciples, but somehow I’m not afraid of the damage progressive church members may do out there if they get it wrong. Can’t say that for the Mark Driscoll’s of the world.
“And there are some folks are going through legitamate and necessary periods of questioning about what they believe about a whole range of social issues.”
Sure, but then those people don’t need to be positioning themselves as pastors, speakers, leaders, experts. They don’t need book deals and foundations named after themselves.
And also, really, how long does that period take? I can think of a few folks who have been “in process” for years and decades… what data points are left to consider?
I’m not going to begrudge people their process… I had mine, so did my parents, so did many of my good friends. None of us were going through our process on a national stage. Nor proclaiming our process to be some inspired third way. Or even a destination.
I interpret Shay’s comments a bit differently – where my objection lies is when people claim to be pro-gay but then they form alliances with anti-gay groups like say The Family/The Fellowship (sponsors of the national prayer breakfast and has known connections to say the anti-gay legislation transpiring in Uganda. Sooo – can you then in good faith sign a letter saying you’re opposed to what’s happening in Uganda while hanging with the family?
For the one relaxing on a shaded porch of their mansion, the rate of progress towards freedom and justice always looks and feels much different than that experienced by the one laboring under a hot sun in the cotton fields. I confess that I am closer to the mansion than the cotton fields, so I must always be mindful that hearing the songs of liberation is harder. So help me to sing the song of freedom brothers and sisters, even though the words to the song compel me to open the doors of the mansion to everyone, or else tear it down. The privileged, the comfortable, the satisfied–the guilty, always ask for more time, understanding, accommodation, but all we should really hope for is grace. Dietrich Bonhoeffer wrote: “…we stand beside our brethren who have wandered and been misled, sharing their guilt, interceding and praying for them, knowing that our own life depends, not on our better knowledge or being on the right side, but on forgiveness.”
So “how long does it take” you ask? Always too long, forgive me. Obliged.
Just when I start losing faith in Christians for the millionth time, I read your blog and think, “Damnit, why can’t THIS guy come preach at my church.”
You’ve highlighted exactly why I haven’t fallen in step with liberal/progressives after leaving fundamentalism. Maybe I’m just still deconstructing, but I don’t think so. I want both for everyone to make room for each other, but to have some answers, too.
And yeah, it is important not to be on the fence about human rights of any kind. If I, as a woman, want more than just the allowance of ordination in the church (while still teaching male headship), how much more do those who are marginalized deserve my own vow to stand with them against oppression?
Thanks for this! I hope that you can continue reconstructing a faith that makes sense for you! (and I would love to come and preach at your church.
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Absolutely! It’s because of this point that I “published” my official affirmation of LGBT issues on my blog. It was a big step, knowing that many of my friends and family would disagree with me, but I knew I had to take a stand one way or another. By not articulating a position, I am…but articulating the wrong one.
Thanks for this! And kudos for your stand!
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